The Fault in Oneness Pentecostalism

There is one fault among the Oneness Pentecostalists: their God is too small. They underestimate the Most High God, the Source of everything, and underestimate His Glorious Manifestation. They do not see the whole thing as one big thing, especially the physical universe. The problem is they accept divisions. They see a Godhead and a universe, separate and divided. They see God's spirit outside of our spirit. They see God as an other. They see two.

The problem comes from holding to corrupted scriptures and misreading them. They ardently hold to the errant. Dudes, don't just study the scriptures you have, invest in finding better ones. Update. The faith once delivered you believe so ardently is not the faith once delivered! The scriptures were written by Jewish mystics. Get understanding from Jewish mystics, not European clerics. Why use adulterated Greek translations of the original Aramaic when translations from the original ancient Aramaic are now available? Get the real Bible, for God's sake. (I like Victor Alexander's translations, v-a.com/bible/, because I know they are older than the corrupted Greek translations. There are translations from the ancient Aramaic, and translations from modern Aramaic translations of the Greek. Don't be fooled.)

The Oneness of God is that He is everything, an integrated whole: the whole thing is one big whole thing -- the Source and His Manifestation are one: It is all one big Thing. And we are in it. There is no division. No separation. No distance. No other. His "coming" is His amping up our awareness of His presence. Yowie! The Spirit does flood the bowels up to the throat and beyond. He does not move from place to place. It is a great "Hello!" We are simply maturing, growing in consciousness and His likeness, overcoming our ignorance. Equip yourselves to grow up.

On the Oneness of God Most High

In 1975, I encountered a deceiving spirit. I realized in that moment that the world was really like the Bible described: "Oh, it's real." In 1933, Neville Goddard imagined like God, and it worked. In that moment he realized that the world was really like the Bible described: "Oh, it's real." Neville went on to study kabbalah and esoteric Christianity. A Pentecostal, I went to Charismatic seminary and have come to Neville's point of view after much study, because we studied HOW it is real. One thing I have learned, as did Neville, is that if there is anything to teach, it is the oneness of God Most High. The Ineffable Source of all is not separate from any of Its all! He and we are one. He is Elohim, the one that is over many "flames"; and we are Elohim, the many flames that are of the one. All together, we are an integrated, whole package without division.

There is no separate God. There is nothing out there watching over us from a distance. There is no distance. There is no other. There is no division. He is us, and we are Him. This is why the early Christians were persecuted as ATHEISTS: they knew there was no other God. No, Caesar, you are not another, separate God. You are just the same one we are.

We ought for this reason be moral: because we all are the same God and have within us, and among us, His love and integrity. "Love one another, even as I have loved you." But as newbie individuals of His emanating consciousness, we are immature. We are here to learn fidelity, develop to be more like Him. This place is for generation.

Trust Him, because He is us, and we are Him. Our imagining is His imagining. He hears us, even to the thoughts and intents of our hearts. Have faith not in your faith, but in His faith, for your faith is His faith.

Yes, God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, but so are we. We are included in the one.

The world really is like the Bible describes, rightly read. Consider HOW it is real when you read. 
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See http://imagicworldview.blogspot.com/2016/02/a-question-on-oneness-of-god-most-high.html 

The Book of Creation, Genesis, is the Definition of God; Without It the New Testament is an Absurdity

It occurs to me that the person who wrote of Moses, inspired by his experience in Exodus, wrote Creation, the Book of Genesis, as a definition of God. Many hundreds, thousands, even millions of Christians read their Bibles according to their understanding of the New Testament. It should be the other way around. We are supposed to read the New Testament according to the definition of God in Genesis, otherwise, the New Testament is an absurdity.

The problem, don't you see, is that the New Testament was written by people who defined God according to the Book of Genesis, as One manifest as many. They, knowing the oneness of many, wrote of the many ("But, of course, you understand that the many are one"). Not understanding that at all, the New Testament Christian reads of many and assumes separation and division, "Because that is what it says."

Thus you get absurd proposals, such as, "Jesus has a corporal body now, and he had a corporal body in eternity past, because he did during the incarnation, and 'Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever.'" Oy vey! He hasn't a corporal body in me, where he is Jacob -- my inner spiritual person. If he hasn't a physical body in me now (apart from my temporal body), his being the same yesterday, today and forever means he has NEVER had a corporal body except for those temporal bodies he inhabits as us. Because we are all one according to the definition of God: the Book of Genesis.

The New Testament without the Old Testament is an absurdity. The two are one book, and the second half makes no sense without the first. The "Son" is the manifestation of the one, ineffable Source (who is also become us!). Get the definition of God right, then you might understand the New Testament.

Ecclesiastes Vanity: Why Solomon Says We All Are Fools

Do not kid yourself: Solomon says 100% of us are fools. We all are fools, because we do not know what God is, really. Not knowing 100% what God is, really, is saying in your heart, "There is no God." And we all are there.

Everything in the world is transitory, a momentary manifestation of power. No thing besides God is permanent. As "eternal" as the world is, it is transitory manifestation of the Permanent's imagination. It imagines, imagination manifests, imagination changes moment by moment. Only that which is imagining is permanent: the Source -- "God." What the Source is we haven't a clue, yet. Yet we shall "see" Him as He is. It is going to be awhile before we can see Him who is imagining us.

All the world you might gain is transitory. Seek first the Power that is causing the manifestation, not the transitory "fuzz" itself. Sure, you can imagine and cause fuzz to manifest -- no problem in doing that to take care of this dimension's needs for yourself and others. But the value of this dimension's stuff is incomparable to the value of the Permanent Source of the Power that is causing the fuzz. Seek the Source.

A Distinction, I Think, Between Physical Work and Mental Work in the Epistle of James

Here is evidence we need to correct each other when our interpretation of scripture goes astray:

I was influenced by my forty years of conservative Christian seminary-trained Evangelical understanding of "works" in the epistle of James. Works are our contribution toward acquiring, accomplishing, or achieving what we desire -- what we have faith for. I looked at a number of teachers and noted that some said to work for what you want, and others said do nothing. I was influenced to mis-define 'work.'

Ronnie James Osbourne contacted me through the comments section and pointed out my error. In "A Distinction, I Think, Between Abdullah, Murphy and Goddard, and Napoleon Hill, Stone, etc." (http://imagicworldview.blogspot.com/2015/07/a-distinction-i-think-between-abdullah.html), I said, "Hill and Stone, et al, spoke well of imagining. And they emphasized our human contribution, the  effort we need to put forth to get things done: 'Faith without works is  dead.' Maybe I am missing something, but didn't Abdullah, Goddard and Murphy  imagine as praying and entrust God to do the work? Not that they did not  work, but their 'work' was their ministry--learning and teaching."

Ronnie corrected me: "'Works' Is Putting 'Prayer' (Imagination) To Action. You Do Not Just Be A 'Hearer' Of The Word, And Believe...You Must Put It To The Test For It To Work."

Yup, I blew it. Christians are misled by an example given in James 2: 15 through 17, "If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, 'Depart in peace, be you warmed and filled'; notwithstanding you give them not those things which are needful to the body; what does it profit?" We fail to see that this is an EXAMPLE of a physical action that is COROLLARY to the subject, which is mental action. When James says, "Even so faith, if it has not works, is dead, being alone," "even so" means in like manner; he is saying, "Just as that situation requires physical work, this situation requires mental work." Doing the Word is mental, but it must be done, just as helping someone out physically must be done to bear fruit.

James is speaking about doing the Word, not physical works. "The Word is very nigh unto you, in your mouth, and in your heart, that you may DO it" (Deuteronomy 30: 14, emphasis mine). What is in your mouth and heart? Your love of God (Deuteronomy 30: 6). Because everything is Him, you love everything and think well FOR everything and everyone -- you mentally DO that love. Believe God's best, and IMAGINE God's best.

So I responded in the comments section, "Thank you, Ronnie. Point well made and point well taken. My slip-up, as I misread scripture influenced from seminary point of view. For those not familiar with the distinction, according to the standard interpretation, 'Faith without works is dead' would mean that you must augment your faith with active, physical involvement; i.e., real physical work to accomplish what you have faith for. You both have to believe it is done and do it, too, because by faith it is 'do-able.' Ronnie is making the distinction that you must believe it is done -- received complete in faith -- and actively imagine it so, also. The 'work' in James is to intensely and vividly enter and experience the imagined desired 'end' of what you have faith for. You do not just believe it in faith, you must actively imagine the consequence of it as realized" (edited).

The Meaning of Exodus 33: 20 "No man can see my face and live"

I just posted a communication with Ana, and the meaning of this verse, Exodus 33: 20, suddenly added up. It is the opposite of seeing God's "hind-parts." Some mystics believe that when God hid Moses in the cleft of the rocks and Moses saw God's "hind-parts," it meant that Moses was seeing from God's side THROUGH GOD'S EYES. The facts of the world, "rocks," were suspended, and Moses saw the world FROM God's perspective. I had a moment of that experience when in the process of attaining to the baptism in the Holy Spirit in 1975 at Grace Bible Church in Hawaii. From God's perspective I saw a human form of mud become a man, and by thinking the thoughts of the man I became the man. Dreaming I am me, I am me.

To see God's face is to look the other way through God's eyes, to see the reality of ourselves as we are spirit having these dreams. Ana has had a glimpse of this experience. She said in her e-mails, "Had experience of One but at the same time of going into dust, smallest particles held by power that holds everything together as one. . . . in my short experience while fusing with something so glorious that completely flipped my understanding, if it lasted in my perception only few more seconds I as "I" or Ana would cease to exist." Wow.

What is Glorious when looking God-ward through God's eyes -- seeing God's "face" --  is Imagination, God's consciousness -- the intelligence that is Power, Spirit, and the source of us. That spirit is looking this way at the dream It is imagining. Moses experienced being over there, thus looking out at the dream. Ana looked inward toward the Power. Or at least so I think.

Neville Goddard somewhere said as much. He said that if we could turn around and see who we really are, we would wake up as the spirit and cease to live as the man in the dream. Therefore, no man can see God's face -- look inward to see the spirit imagining him -- without waking up and ceasing to imagine being the man in the dream.

We are here as humans for a reason, consigned to disobedience and futility, anxiety and affliction for the sake of progress in becoming like the Source, the Ineffable Most High God, whom we were NOT like in being limited as imagination only. We were dependent, directed, and not free to imagine on our own. We are here to learn freedom with fidelity and integrity to God's nature. Learn well.

More From Ana

Dear Ana,

I hope you do not mind, but I found your letter so wise and perceptive that I felt compelled to share it with others. I write my blog in an effort to turn the world right side up as a service to God. Your comprehension is a "heavy hitter" in reprogramming people who do not understand what is going on but would like to . . . if they could find wisdom like yours published. So, to get it out there, I published it. Like I said, I hope you do not mind. Thanks again for writing.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ana
To: imagicworldview
Sent: Tue, Jan 12, 2016 5:39 am
Subject: Re: JHWH exchange published on blogspot

Dear Don! 

Thanks, I do not mind but thanks for keeping my name private. Reason I contacted you is simple. My search for all manifestations of God will never end. Your blog is like a beautiful jewell that stands out. Finally I could relate to somebody in wisdom and knowing that was gifted to me. It is a blessing that comes with responsibility.

When you said in your reply that you would like to know glorious No-thing and to remove mental block that separates "It" from you is what I also want. That is what we all seek. Some of us with every cell in our being, others got distracted on the way. In the end all those distractions cease to exist and nothing else matters but belonging to a whole.

However in my short experience while fusing with something so glorious that completely flipped my understanding if it lasted in my perception only few more seconds I as "I" or Ana would cease to exist. It is like Pandora's box. To simply put it if you really put all your life pain in few seconds time you would die. If you felt life pain of only a few people in few minutes you would die. Imagine pain of one family, than pain of one nation every second. How much of that could you take.?  That mental block is like protection but when that block grows into China wall there is a problem. In one wise prayer to Holy Spirit we ask: "Give us ONLY necessary knowledge!!!" 

This seemed like a limitation to our human brain POWER until I finally grasped enormity of my own delusion. More I use MY OWN TAINTED understanding which is always just that:" HUMAN and always limited!" less room I leave for influx of Holy Spirit or Universal cosmic unlimited understanding and wisdom. So literally I had to learn to loose my mind, disconnect it from ruling and overpowering everything else.

 I can fully understand where some mystics would loose their mind while searching.

Seems hard but today for me it is normal way of existing. We are only BRAIN BUDS!

To make it into beautiful fragrant flower a lot is needed- mud bellow where roots are, not at the top; sun above. Like you said:"Upside down learning!

No, I do not teach, learning -what seems upside down for rest of the world is my

passion. Learning wisdom and knowledge of manifestations of God. Very interested in your experience of God in every detail if you would like to share it.

Grateful for your reply and every blog. 

Thank you.
Ana,  Sent from my iPad

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Dear Ana,

If you have read a number of my posts you probably know that I have learned a lot from Neville Goddard. He learned kabbalah from a fellow named Abdullah and preached it as his imagining technique. When it worked he realized that this God stuff was and is real. Then he "birthed" himself and experienced what he called "the Promise," which is waking up and memory that you are God returning. I think it is like a halfway point to becoming the independent manifestation of the Source. People quickly got tired of his teaching the Promise and tried to dissuade him from it, but he said, "I will teach it morning, noon, and night to anyone who will listen to me." Because he had found that this God stuff is real, and nothing else matters (though we do have to take care of those matters in life, also).

In his audio lectures he speaks about and sometimes speaks to people in his audience who were also waking up. While you are not my student as such, I want to let you know that it gives me great peace of heart to know that there is someone else out there that is "getting" it, whose jaw drops at the awesomeness of God and is not just trying to get things from Him. God bless you.

Yes, God said to Moses, "No man can see my face and live" (Exodus 33: 20), but as God has no physical face such as ours, I wonder what power his "face" is. Perhaps there comes a time when we say in that second before ceasing to exist as "I,""I am staying and looking anyway." Ours is a different value system. Different, too, is how we get there. I was crossing campus one day and wondering how to expand myself into the stature of Jesus Christ. This was back when I believed he had been an individual man. I saw myself as a little tiny man in a huge glove, which represented the nature and stature of Christ I was supposed to fill. Puny, weak, numb-skull me -- how was I ever supposed to expand myself to become to the nature and stature of Jesus Christ? How could my fingers become as his fingers? An impossible task! In that very moment I saw not me in a huge glove but a little Jesus Christ inside of me. Oh. He expands into me as I surrender myself to him. His fingers go into mine! There is the war: not to get, but to give. Thank you for reminding me.

"We are only BRAIN BUDS!" I see what you are saying, but may I suggest that we are spirit USING these brains for the moment. You are NOT a human, you merely have a human's nature -- physically real, but the whole thing is an illusion, a willed dream. Brains are great communication devices for communicating with the Original Mind, but as you suggest, there is an insulator involved between our network and the Big Guy. He can see us okay, but we can't see him too good. Okay, not at all; unless he does something special. Some mystics say that when God hid Moses in the cleft of the rocks and Moses saw His hind-parts, Moses was looking from God's side THROUGH God's eyes (i.e., he for a moment had God's perspective -- saw things as the spirit he was).

Got to go, but I love talking to you. Thanks for writing.

Dan Steele

An E-mail From Ana, One of the Most Perceptive Persons

I received the following e-mail from Ana. In spite of some typos and slight grammatical errors, I easily understood everything she said (maybe because she writes better in English than I do), and I found her to be one of the most perceptive people I have ever read. If you are not familiar with the concept, there is a mystical belief that every letter in a word has its own meaning which it, in turn, contributes to the word it is used in. Ana marvelously expands on this in a comprehension of "universal orchestration": the world as music. Truly superior thinking. Brilliant. I wonder if she is teaching this stuff?

I decided not to edit Ana's missive. What she says comes through in full force just the way she says it. Sorry, all you guys who fall in love with her in this, to protect Ana's privacy I removed her last name from the exchange.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ana 
To: imagicworldview
Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2016 7:48 am
Subject: JHWH
Dear Dan! Thank you for your explanation of word Marjah and One in God. Had experience of One but at the same time of going into dust, smallest particles held by power that holds everything together as one. Names used are impossible to translate into English yet when they are stripped letter by letter they say more than people grasp. Simple is to find mystery meanings behind those words letter by letter going back to ancient languages and than make like a globe out of it and break borders of one language only. Language and meanings and communication by words erects misunderstanding. Supernatural communication usually is complete, goes through your heart, mind your whole you. Our way of expressing leads to many, many mistakes. Wise men do not say much, they tell you to go and find out for yourself, to experience it, to get imprint on all senses. As soon as it is limited to one or two, say only language it becomes incomplete. At this moment I use my mind, my eyes, my touch, my heart partially but connection to all that I am is not there, most of it is not used. This is upside down way we are programmed by this world. To translate from one language to another when it comes to God's name is futile. How to put all there is in one name and then owe it. Impossible!!!!
You can try but you are taking away real essence. When it was translated into Greek same happened. Since you had supernatural experience you are aware that it is impossible to put into words, not even a picture since emotion, feeling is missing, sound is not there, movement of all dimensions and forces is not there, temperature, environment and so much more is not there, completeness Oneness is not there. When they say that is unspeakable it is the only proper translation since we still do not have total communication able to relate complete meaning.
When you learn eastern language say Aramaic way of expressing compared to English is like comparing literal English to symbols that tell you where Exit is or Stop you simply Stop not knowing anything else, why was that Stop put there in first place. Knowing meaning behind every letter is the start but letters have different sounds in same language never mind different languages. Say letter A in all languages of the world, imagine all the sounds from musical point of view. Where I,m going with this. When you mentioned hand hope you imagined all different parts of hand, positions of hand, best way to figure out all mudra positions or Fatima hand and all little lines on every finger all different, all hand positions on all the wold art to only scratch the meaning of that hand or letter. Same goes for letter A where all sounds and positions of that letter never mind of adding other letters in all directions and in all languages existing here and everywhere in the universe plus all different vibrations, colours and environments. For us to understand it we need to not ignore ancient in every culture to find our oneness and to find God in ourselves. At what point we separated languages so much that we can't understand ourselves to a point of hatred and killing each other ignoring God in us. How come we don't feel that incredible pain in us screaming: "Aaaaaaaaaauuuuuuu!" Start putting "A" before, above, bellow, behind and that is only our dimension we perceive. Look at how "A" can be sounded in all languages and musical scales and colours and vibrations. Imagine this is not even basic. Connection in YHWH word are all the other letters in whole world starting with "A" and all combinations of it from all sides and in all dimensions that we see and do not see, in ours and all existing positions and dimensions. How does letter "A" sound from inside that letter or from top, bottom or corner. Compare meaning, look, shape of say, letter "H" from ancient times in all languages to today, all combinations of them. If we really understood each other to the core and essence we would understand God. (Very improper and poor word by the way, just figure out meaning of every letter) Word God is very degrading in my opinion for what it represents in English language. Since English is modern language of most of the world we have no choice but to use it to the best that language can express. For me best translation would be with footnotes in all the languages. We have powerful computers today, it could be done but like you said our human brain is far behind and sluggish.
It was real pleasure to read your very insightful comment.
My English is far from good, sorry about that.

Ana, Sent from my iPad

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Dear Ana,

I think your English is just great. I think I understand everything you are saying, all to which I agree. You are very perceptive, and I am flabbergasted that anyone can comprehend so much and communicate it as well as you have in any language. I love what you say about the inability of language to convey meaning because of the "upside down way we are programmed in this world." Exactly!

The English/Germanic word 'God' may be inadequate, but more adequate alternatives are not there. Each one, including 'God,' must be filled with meaning by the growing, expanding understanding of each individual. All we learn OF It (the ineffable Source) from all the words, titles, letters and scriptures of all religions, well, that is "God" or whatever you want to call It. The harder trick for me is to comprehend the Glorious No-thing, and then remove the mental wall that separates It conceptually from "me."

I am so glad you wrote. Thank You.

A Short Dialog With a Oneness Pentecostal

Wow. I never knew that customer reviews on Amazon.com became threads of dialog. Never thought to look. Maybe I am getting old. Anyway, I was going to edit my comment on Victor Alexander's Aramaic New Testament: from the Ancient Church of the East Scriptures (http://www.amazon.com/Aramaic-New-Testament-Ancient-Scriptures/dp/1456475789/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1452063781&sr=8-1&keywords=alexander+aramaic+new+testament) and noticed that Dylan Downs had commented on my review. I recognized the name from elsewhere and have seen his web site before. Here is what Mr. Downs said to me (I am not sure why, but he did):

Dylan Downs says:

The Scriptures declare the Almighty YHWH to be one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) all throughout the Old Testament and the New Testament. "Qnumeh" does not fit the grammar of the verse in the Peshitta, so "qnomah" should be used. I am a Oneness Pentecostal, believing in one Almighty God who is the Holy Spirit, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (Matthew 1:18, 20; Luke 1:35). Jesus Christ is that Almighty God, the Creator and Sustainer of all things (John 1:1-4, 14; Colossians 1:15-18, 2:9; Hebrews 1:2), that He is the Miltha (Word, Manifestation, Substance) of YHWH and He became flesh as a genuine and sinless man (II Corinthians 5:28; Philippians 2:5-8; I Peter 1:22) in order to save us from our sins. The Messiah had to be a true human being that was perfect, and He also had to be the perfect, eternal, and Almighty God. Through the incarnation and Jesus's death on the cross, He was able to pay a debt that nobody else could pay. Victor Alexander and the other Assyrian Christians have a very different view of the Trinity doctrine from Western Christians, they do not describe God as three Persons, but three Qnomeh (which is also the term used to describe the dual nature of Jesus Christ). The concept of Qnomeh/Qnomah does not exist in English (or even Hebrew), only in Aramaic. It is a distinction, but not enough of a distinction that the Father, Son, and Spirit can be said to be different Persons. These are three of many manifestations of the one true God: YHWH/MarYa. Abba, Rukha d'Qudsha, Brah d'Alaha: Yeshua Meshikha (Father, Holy Spirit, Son of God: Jesus the Messiah). Based on Scripture, it can be concluded that the distinction between the Father and the Son is not between different Persons, but between two ways in which God has revealed Himself to man in relation to each other. The Father is deity alone and the infinite Holy Spirit beyond the incarnation, while the Son is deity and humanity, the infinite Holy Spirit within the incarnation. God humbled Himself and became a genuine man: the Son of God, who relied on the anointing of the Holy Spirit and the Father's guidance in order to operate in His ministry. The term "Messiah" (Mashiyach, Meshikha, Christos) refers to Jesus as the Anointed One (the meaning of "Messiah"). Jesus's anointing by the Spirit is unlimited (John 3:34). Jesus is the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6).

My response to Mr. Downs:

I am sorry, Dylan, that I did not know that customer reviews branched off into threads of dialog. Oneness is "a hard row to hoe," as they say. "Not one, but not two." You can see yourself spinning around it in all your verbiage. You seem to agree with Alexander that Jesus is the manifestation of God. It is hard not to broach the idea of two here.  I differ with you in the matter of time, as I grasp the concepts espoused by Neville Goddard that the crucifixion of Christ was when God's consciousness (the spirit which became us) "died" (forgot) of its awareness of its nature as God and became conscious of being us -- a real dumbing-down! Christ became man -- ALL OF US!! So it is moot that he ever became a unique individual son. THE WHOLE THING IS ONE (ITALICIZE, UNDERLINE, BOLD) and accomplished in all. Oneness Pentecostals classically believe that Jesus Christ is the only God we will ever see. I believe that we will only see him in ourselves as we become aware of being him.

Keep reeling-in the concept of oneness. Fight for it! Wrestle to attain to it: "He . . . is . . . 'I.'" We -- he and us -- are all one body: the whole thing is just one thing. The concept of oneness -- real oneness -- is a hard row to hoe.
Thanks for writing.