Correlating Jesus to the Serpent in Genesis
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From: joe
To: imagicworldview imagicworldview@aol.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2016 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: Questions
Hope u don't mind the questions...but how do you correlate Jesus and the serpent in Genesis?
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Joe,
I do not mind questions. Except when they are on things I have gone over extensively recently (I'm like, dude, I just answered that). Jesus and the Serpent I covered long ago and it bears updating, so THANKS for the question. Things to keep in mind:
a) There is nothing but God. "Jesus Christ" is his manner of saving us by his power and wisdom and is in us, as us. Jesus Christ does God's will.
b) We are bereft of our divine intelligence and given over to futility for a purpose: to be generated through affliction into the likeness of the Most High.
c) There is no serpent in Genesis chapter 3. God made all the animals and brought them to Adam to name (Gen. 2: 19), and there was no helper suitable to him. This "serpent" was not one of them. The word here is nacash, which means "a shining one." See Bullinger's note on 3: 1 and his appendix 19 (http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app19.html) in The Companion Bible (available on line in pdf).
d) The Shining One did not lie to Adam and Eve. They did not "die the death" as we think of death. They did become as God, knowing good and evil. So what is up with God's commandment in Genesis 2: 17? Did God lie to Adam? Or are we misapplying what he said to Adam as a commandment when really it was an observation. As God's spirit life in Paradise, Adam didn't want anything to do with dying the death and coming to this experience of death, the forgetting of Godhood. So Adam REFUSED to eat of the tree in the midst that God WANTED him to eat. God was saying, "Come on, get with the plan!"
e) Oh. An 'E' ticket ride (what can I say; I was raised next to Disneyland): the Shining One, Jesus Christ, the inner man within us who does God's will, acted as conscience and talked Adam into it, to leave Paradise and lose, for awhile, consciousness of being God to become MORE like the Most High God. Man entered ignorance of what he was and became fearful of God as though he were separate, and Jesus Christ, the Shining One who is our inner man, HAD TO COME ALONG. Our "ignoranced" desires are contrary to his desires, so we keep bruising one another -- he keeps knocking on our door, inside, as our conscience, and we keep imagining sinfully causing our own afflictions.
Therefore, the so-called Serpent was Jesus Christ as our consciousness becoming ignorant due to amnesia in our descent into humanhood. The "adversary" is IGNORANCE. THAT is the Devil we rebuke and resist and overcome.
Does this make any sense to you, Joe? Because of our amnesia induced ignorance our fleshly consciousness (Cain) has become oblivious to our spiritual transitoriness (Abel). It is still there crying out in our conscience, so we come up with substitutes (Seth): weak, sickly substitutes put in place of God's operation of blessing (Yahweh) in our mortality (Enos). These are the antediluvian patriarchs -- inadequate substitutes for Abel -- until we get to Noah, the rest in God.
"Go to Pharaoh and tell him to let my people go." 'Israel' is God ruling in us, as us -- our inner thoughts turned over to him. Moses was telling us in Genesis what he learned in Exodus. They are largely parallel stories. Getting Israel out of Egypt, our flesh-consciousness, is just like getting ourselves to rest in God as Noah and turn everything over to him. I hope you have heard Neville Goddard's "If You Can Really Believe."
I'll see you on the blog.
Dan Steele
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joe
To: imagicworldview
Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2016 9:03 am
Subject: Re: Questions
That's mind blowing..I need to digest that... that is huge!!!
How frustrating it is when a lot of folk are saying the wrong things and misleading the masses ... it's difficult to find the truth at times in the middle of living life; i.e., kids, wife, job, siblings, and all manner of issues ... to spend time trying to find out biblical truth because the people that think they know really have no idea ... thanks for the insight ... we have no choice but to find the truth...yes, I was venting a little but :)
Joe
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Joe,
We have to remember how pervasive ignorance is. Everything and everyone becoming flesh completely forgets that it is also spirit. Our only touchstone with that spiritual reality is revelation, and that is psychological and must be psychologically "concrete," like Moses' experience in Exodus 3: 14. One time Jesus spoke to me clearly and audibly in the hearing lobe of my brain. Another time he grew out my arm a short distance while I intently WATCHED. He has revealed his being in me and his being God. I am him "ignoranced": He is me not ignoranced.
If priests understood and taught that Ignorance is the enemy, we would expect something from them few are prepared to give: real spiritual wisdom. Says the priest: "Wait. What? That's in the job description? I am only supposed to teach you the scriptures. Revelation is His deal. Go to Him for that." Maybe in the near future we will develop churches of meditation and insight. They have popped up before -- the Moravians, Quakers and Shakers, etc. The thing about that sort of church is you have to DO it. It cannot be institutionalized. Your son either gets it or not.
Dan Steele
From: joe
To: imagicworldview imagicworldview@aol.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2016 2:08 pm
Subject: Re: Questions
Hope u don't mind the questions...but how do you correlate Jesus and the serpent in Genesis?
_________________________________
Joe,
I do not mind questions. Except when they are on things I have gone over extensively recently (I'm like, dude, I just answered that). Jesus and the Serpent I covered long ago and it bears updating, so THANKS for the question. Things to keep in mind:
a) There is nothing but God. "Jesus Christ" is his manner of saving us by his power and wisdom and is in us, as us. Jesus Christ does God's will.
b) We are bereft of our divine intelligence and given over to futility for a purpose: to be generated through affliction into the likeness of the Most High.
c) There is no serpent in Genesis chapter 3. God made all the animals and brought them to Adam to name (Gen. 2: 19), and there was no helper suitable to him. This "serpent" was not one of them. The word here is nacash, which means "a shining one." See Bullinger's note on 3: 1 and his appendix 19 (http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app19.html) in The Companion Bible (available on line in pdf).
d) The Shining One did not lie to Adam and Eve. They did not "die the death" as we think of death. They did become as God, knowing good and evil. So what is up with God's commandment in Genesis 2: 17? Did God lie to Adam? Or are we misapplying what he said to Adam as a commandment when really it was an observation. As God's spirit life in Paradise, Adam didn't want anything to do with dying the death and coming to this experience of death, the forgetting of Godhood. So Adam REFUSED to eat of the tree in the midst that God WANTED him to eat. God was saying, "Come on, get with the plan!"
e) Oh. An 'E' ticket ride (what can I say; I was raised next to Disneyland): the Shining One, Jesus Christ, the inner man within us who does God's will, acted as conscience and talked Adam into it, to leave Paradise and lose, for awhile, consciousness of being God to become MORE like the Most High God. Man entered ignorance of what he was and became fearful of God as though he were separate, and Jesus Christ, the Shining One who is our inner man, HAD TO COME ALONG. Our "ignoranced" desires are contrary to his desires, so we keep bruising one another -- he keeps knocking on our door, inside, as our conscience, and we keep imagining sinfully causing our own afflictions.
Therefore, the so-called Serpent was Jesus Christ as our consciousness becoming ignorant due to amnesia in our descent into humanhood. The "adversary" is IGNORANCE. THAT is the Devil we rebuke and resist and overcome.
Does this make any sense to you, Joe? Because of our amnesia induced ignorance our fleshly consciousness (Cain) has become oblivious to our spiritual transitoriness (Abel). It is still there crying out in our conscience, so we come up with substitutes (Seth): weak, sickly substitutes put in place of God's operation of blessing (Yahweh) in our mortality (Enos). These are the antediluvian patriarchs -- inadequate substitutes for Abel -- until we get to Noah, the rest in God.
"Go to Pharaoh and tell him to let my people go." 'Israel' is God ruling in us, as us -- our inner thoughts turned over to him. Moses was telling us in Genesis what he learned in Exodus. They are largely parallel stories. Getting Israel out of Egypt, our flesh-consciousness, is just like getting ourselves to rest in God as Noah and turn everything over to him. I hope you have heard Neville Goddard's "If You Can Really Believe."
I'll see you on the blog.
Dan Steele
_______________________________
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe
To: imagicworldview
Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2016 9:03 am
Subject: Re: Questions
That's mind blowing..I need to digest that... that is huge!!!
How frustrating it is when a lot of folk are saying the wrong things and misleading the masses ... it's difficult to find the truth at times in the middle of living life; i.e., kids, wife, job, siblings, and all manner of issues ... to spend time trying to find out biblical truth because the people that think they know really have no idea ... thanks for the insight ... we have no choice but to find the truth...yes, I was venting a little but :)
Joe
___________________________________-
Joe,
We have to remember how pervasive ignorance is. Everything and everyone becoming flesh completely forgets that it is also spirit. Our only touchstone with that spiritual reality is revelation, and that is psychological and must be psychologically "concrete," like Moses' experience in Exodus 3: 14. One time Jesus spoke to me clearly and audibly in the hearing lobe of my brain. Another time he grew out my arm a short distance while I intently WATCHED. He has revealed his being in me and his being God. I am him "ignoranced": He is me not ignoranced.
If priests understood and taught that Ignorance is the enemy, we would expect something from them few are prepared to give: real spiritual wisdom. Says the priest: "Wait. What? That's in the job description? I am only supposed to teach you the scriptures. Revelation is His deal. Go to Him for that." Maybe in the near future we will develop churches of meditation and insight. They have popped up before -- the Moravians, Quakers and Shakers, etc. The thing about that sort of church is you have to DO it. It cannot be institutionalized. Your son either gets it or not.
Dan Steele
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