Sandra: My Second Response

Sandra. Thank you so much for your query. It made something I had never seen before come to light (but then again, I am exceedingly dumb). I had doubts about the Angel of YHWH, Who is YHWH, becoming incarnate and aware, because He left no notes. I would expect Him to inform us of everything, to fill the earth with books explaining all of what is, how it works, and what the heck He is doing. I was composing a response to the absence of any evidence of the historic Jesus Christ. Christians accept spiritual fulfillment. "Spiritual" fulfillment does not wash with the Jews. They only accept physical fulfillment. For them, there is no spiritual without corresponding physical.

The Temple persecution of Christians was nothing if not thorough. They rubbed out EVERYTHING about the heresy of a dead Messiah. Paul was just one of many sent to foreign cities to eliminate every vestige of evidence. They entered houses, imprisoned believers--people died. Then my insight: Jesus, if He did incarnate, had no reason to physically publish His truth, for HE WORKS DIRECTLY WITH THE BRAINS OF HIS BELIEVERS. All we could read, He tells! Simon is the hearing, OUR hearing. "Upon this rock..." Early Christians did not have copies of the Bible to peruse. They believed, and God spoke. Speaks. I have been living on it for years. Apparently, so have you. That is why we have left "churchianity" for the truth He tells us, reveals to us.

"Why did it take so long for the gospels to be finally written after the supposed life of Jesus?" Because the authors kept getting killed. The "with persecutions" manifested: super Christians, super persecutions.

"Jesus says 'there are some standing here who will not taste death at all until they see the kingdom of God has come with power' (Mark 9:1) (the next generation did not see the kingdom of God come)." Nay nay. Some of the disciples were killed straightaway. EVERY generation of spiritually born-again-from-above believers has seen the Kingdom of God come with power...Hallelujah!!

"In Paul’s writings, there isn’t a single mention of the historical story of Jesus." You are reading skeptics' poppycock. Nothing wrong with that, but disprove everything, and keep only that which cannot be disproven. Read 1 Corinthians 11: 23ff.

Luke provides a Greek perspective. To them the then Roman empire was the whole world. And the birth of Jesus was their perspective of the Jewish view (the Jews believed all births are attended by angels).

"No historical evidence of the city of Nazareth." Nazareth means "the Victorious." Jesus was raised in "the Victorious City," or, "the City of Victory." This might just refer to/be code for his mental state, the way He was raised, or His moral resolution to live a sinless life, i.e., the mental Jerusalem: the brain. Anyway, He was called the Nazarene--the Victorious One. Would have been a pretty good teacher. Would have taught us that we have to learn to read.

And etc.

Was He incarnate? Well, look inside. Is He?

Dan Steele
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From Sandra:

Dan, I believe I’m on to something.

I don’t believe Jesus came 2,000 years ago, but please hear me out.

As Gospel of Thomas says:

"Ask without hidden motive and be surrounded by your answer, be enveloped by what you desire. That your gladness be full."

Could the NT have been written as a prophesy to be fulfilled in the last days (I know lot of the NT has been added to and fabricated but I think I the truth in can be found)? So the writers/prophets wrote this same way as praying as if the Jesus event had already occurred? Although Paul kept saying he is to come. Have you ever heard of 'prophetic perfect'? Many scholars say many parts of the bible were written as if things had occurred because they were so sure the event was going to take place.

So I am saying, what if Jesus has not come yet and is meant to come in the last days to fulfil New Testament (NT) and Old Testament (OT) scriptures for the first time? That is what Jesus’s job is, to reveal the truth about the scriptures (he comes once at the end of the age).Please see scripture to back up what I am saying.

The bible and other sacred books are telling us the mystery, which was kept secret for long ages will be revealed through the prophetic writings in the last days (Rom 16:25). The mystery is about Christ (Col 4:2), who appeared once (and only once) for all at the end of the age (Heb 9:26) to testify to the truth (John 18:37) and undo all that the devil has done (1 John 3:8). The devilish works began after a father had lost his son, and he began honouring him as a God. Over time, this godless custom grew and hardened and received worship by command and princes. They would carve images in honour of him. Even people who did not know him spread his cult and it became observed by law. This became the pitfall for life (Wis 14:12).

Jesus doesn’t come to abolish the law and the prophets but comes to fulfil them (Eph 6:12). The main aim for Jesus and his saints is to make the Word of God fully known, which is the mystery hidden for ages and generations, and made manifest to them (Col 1:24). In the OT it also says the words are shut up and sealed until the time of the end (Dan 12:9).

Jesus is not happy with the scribes and Pharisees blaming them for shutting up the kingdom of heaven (Matt 23:13) by exchanging the truth of God for a lie, and worshipping and serving the creature rather than the Creator (Rom 1:25). The bible tells us to leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and faith towards God (Heb 6:1).

Before Jesus comes, the rebellion must come first and the man of lawlessness is revealed (object of worship who takes his seat in the temple of God). For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work and Jesus will destroy him with the breath of his mouth and by his appearing and coming (2 Thess 2:1).

Jesus talks about the tribulation (events of end days) and tells his disciples that their generation will not pass until all these things takes place (Mark 13:30). Jesus also says that there are some standing there who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God has come with power (Mark 9:1).

The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy (Rev 19:9).

Please see the following scriptures:

Hebrews 1:1 In many and various ways God spoke of old to our fathers by the prophets; but in these last days he has spoken to us by a Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world.

Hebrews 9:26 If Christ had offered himself many times, he would have needed to suffer many times since the time the world was made. But he came to offer himself only once. And that once is enough for all time. He came at a time when the world is nearing an end. He came to take away all sin by offering himself as a sacrifice.

Peter 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his great mercy we have been born anew to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and to an inheritance, which is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you, who by God’s power are guarded by faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Peter 1:20 He was destined before the foundation of the world but made manifest at the end of times for your sake. Through him you have confidence in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory so that your faith and hope are in God.

Ephesians 1:9 For he has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of his will, according to his purpose which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

Romans 16:25 Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which was kept secret for long ages but is now disclosed through the prophetic writings is made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about obedience of faith-to the only wise God be glory for ever more through Jesus Christ! Amen.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.

On the origins of the world 125:15 Now the Word (Logos) that is superior to all beings was sent for this purpose alone: that he might proclaim the unknown. He said (Mark 4:22), There is nothing hidden that is not apparent, and what has not been recognised will be recognised.

Dead Sea Scrolls, 1 QpHab 7:4-5 and God told Habakkuk to write down that which would happen to the final generation, but He did not make known to him when time would come to an end. And as for that which He said, That he who reads may read it speedily: interpreted this concerns the Teacher of Righteousness, to whom God made known all the mysteries of the words of His servants and Prophets.

Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, neither allow you them that are entering to go in.

The Gospel of Thomas 39 The Pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed those who want to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like the son of man and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.

Daniel 12:4 But you Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, until the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world as testimony to all nations; and then the end will come. “So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then those who are in Judea flee to the mountains etc. And Mark 13:14

Micah 4:1 It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established as the highest of the mountains.

Romans 1:25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

Matthew 5:17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.”

1 John 3:8 It was to undo all that the devil has done that the Son of God appeared.

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and faith toward God.

Galatians 4:4 But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, so that we might receive adoption of sons.

Luke 22:37 For I tell you this scripture must be fulfilled in me, ‘And he was reckoned with transgressors’, for what is written about me has its fulfilment.

Mark 9:1 And he said to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”

Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John; and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come. He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Matthew 17:10 And the disciples asked him, “Then why do the scribes say that first Elijah must come?” He replied, Elijah does come, and he is to restore all things; but I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they pleased. So also the son of man will suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was speaking to them of John the Baptist (Mark 9:11 also).

Revelations 5:6 And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders, I saw a Lamb standing as though it has been slain.

Matthew 24:34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place (tribulation-sun darkened, moon will not give its light etc.) and Mark 13:30

2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembly to meet him, we beg you, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or word, or by letting purporting to be from us, to the effect that day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God. Do you not remember that when I was with you and told you this???? (I think this sentence has been added later– out of context). And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with his breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and coming.

Wisdom 14:12 The invention of idols was the origin of fornication, their discovery the corrupting of life. They did not exist at the beginning, they will not exist forever; through human vanity they came into the world and hence a sudden end has been designed for them.
A father afflicted by untimely mourning makes an image of his child so swiftly taken, and now he honours as a God what yesterday had only been a dead man, bequeathing initiations to his dependents. Then in the course of time the godless custom hardens, and is observed by law and, by command and princes, the carved images receive worship.
Of those who lived too far away to be honoured in person men would make a portrait from a distance and produce a visible image of the king they honoured, meaning, by such zeal, to flatter the absent as if he were with them. Even people who did not know him were stimulated into spreading his cult by the idealism of the artist; for the latter, doubtless wishing to please the ruler, exerted all his skill to make the likeness finer than reality and the crowd, carried away by the beauty of the work, accorded divine honours to him whom only recently they had honoured as a man. And this became the pitfall for life, that men, whether slaves to misfortune or princely power, should have bestowed the incommunicable name on sticks and stones.

On the Origins of the world And thus when the world had come into being, it distractedly erred at all times. For all men upon earth worshiped the spirits (demons) from the creation to the consummation - both the angels of righteousness and the men of unrighteousness. Thus did the world come to exist in distraction, in ignorance, and in a stupor. They all erred, until the appearance of the true man.

Mark 4:22 “For there is nothing hid, except to be made manifest; nor is anything secret, except to come to light. If any man has ears to hear, let him hear.”

Gospel of Thomas 2 Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All.

The OT prophesied of a Messiah coming in the last days, the Dead Sea Scrolls and Nag Hammadi texts also. I believe the NT is also prophesying about Jesus coming in the last days (for the first time). There are so many other reasons to cast doubt on the Jesus of 2,000 years ago (which really can’t be ignored). This includes:

· Not a single historical mention of Jesus during his whole life (around 4BC-30AD). Not by Romans or by Jews, not by believers or by unbelievers, not during his entire lifetime. Surely someone would have noticed and jotted something down.

· When Christianity began there were a number of uncertainties and disagreements about the historical Jesus, and some Gnostic groups claimed that Jesus had not come in the flesh at all and that he was spiritual.

· Why did it take so long for the gospels to be finally written after the supposed life of Jesus?

· One of the oddest facts about the NT is the fall of Jerusalem (70CE), which was never mentioned once in the NT. If the gospels had been written after this, like most scholars believe, the authors could have used this as history verifying the prophesies of Jesus.

· In Paul’s writings, there isn’t a single mention of the historical story of Jesus.

· Paul said that there were some Christians preaching another gospel to the one they were preaching but how could that be possible only a few years after the supposed crucifixion.

· Luke 2:2 says Jesus was born during a census-not likely that the Romans would require the whole population of the whole country to be involved in a census, let alone the whole world.

· No historical evidence of the city of Nazareth. The Jews’ minor objection to the Christian Messiah was the fact he had been unsuccessful.

· Jesus says “there are some standing here who will not taste death at all until they see the kingdom of God has come with power (Mark 9:1) (the next generation did not see the kingdom of God come).

· There were many messianic prophecies that Jesus had failed to fulfill, so this may be why early Christians therefore taught he would return for a second coming.

· There is absolutely clear evidence running through the NT documents that the early followers of Jesus (Nazarenes) were convinced that they were living very close to the end of the Age (NT Texts on the Imminence of the End).

I did speak personally to Wayne Dyer about Jesus coming in the last days (for the first time). He didn’t say much about it. I hope you have an open mind and can see and interpret the scriptures and find the truth.

I am really looking so forward with hope to talk with you further (as there is so much more).

Kindest regards,

Sandy