L. has a Lot to Say
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To: imagicworldview@aol.com
Sent: Sun, May 31, 2020 6:36 pm
Subject: RE: Neville Goddard
Hi Dan,
Thank you so much for your wonderful reply! I enjoyed reading your email reply back. I do have some questions. If you don’t have time to answer I understand.
"That is, we can observe that if we think in certain ways, certain things happen. Neville has simply pointed these ways out and suggested that we can control them."
ME: What is hard about this is to drift off in a hypnagogic state just before you go to sleep and try to imagine what you would like to change in your life. To be honest, I don’t require a lot of material things in life. As long as I have food on the table and can pay my bills with enough money left over in case I need it…I am fine. I see a lot of people wanting to materialize cars, houses and so forth. I guess for me its about spiritual growth and to really find God. I was raised Greek Orthodox and have since left the religion. I have since started to meditate and try to visualize. I have a hard time wrapping my head that God came down as human so that we could one day realize we are God.
All the Near Death Experience people say that we are here as spiritual beings to learn lessons and grow while here on Earth.
Neville seemed to think when we die we are in are 20s and don’t realize we are dead only to live in another planet and experience the suffering like we do here on earth. I am not sure I agree. He did not believe in reincarnation either, but it has been proven.
NDE does not support the kind of experience Neville had. Most everyone who has had a NDE report that we go back and we do get a life review where God DOES NOT Punish us. We do have a life review on how we did on earth but there is no punishment from God. And, how forgiving and loving the after life is. Some do not want to come back.
When people come back from NDE they don’t say, hey what I learned from it is that God is your own wonderful human imagination. Or I was told that God came down as human and forgot he was God so that he would one day realize as man that he is God. On the contrary we are told that we are spiritual beings to experience life and learn lessons that help us spiritually grow.
Neville wrote all this 50 years ago when NDE was not heard of. Reincarnation was not talk about it either. He even told this one lady in one of his lectures not to believe in it.
The only reason why I say this is because on many forums there seems to be a Neville Goddard worshiping thing going on. People believe in his Golgotha that when David calls you Father you will know you are God. I am not saying it is wrong, but it is different from what NDE say that is all.
If Neville is correct does God play the part of starving people in Africa who do not know that all they have to do is imagine how it would be if you have food and so forth…Why is it that only people that are not living in oppressed countries can manifest a better life?
Dan, I can assure you I have asked these types of questions on YouTube bloggers who claim to preach the gospel according to Neville. Again, I am not saying he is wrong but a lot of things feel to me as if the teachings kind of contradict themselves…I want truth just like anyone else. If Neville was alive in this day and age, I would of asked him, lol.
"I am not sure this is luciferianism. There seems to be a lot of conditions which suggest what practice, opinion, or attitude is good or bad. Love and unity appear to be good and facilitating of improvement; self-serving and independence appear to be impediments to progress. This is just the way the world we observe is."
ME: This is beautiful what you just said….By luciferin I meant that a lot of people like to use this manifestation for power and greed. What Neville was semi preaching sounds a lot like new thought movement started by Madame Blavatsky, the Russian occultist, philosopher, and author who co-founded the Theosophical Society in 1875 There was a lot of bad things that happened down the line. I will not go into it in this email.
"I promote, as it were, Neville's teachings because they greatly reflect the truth of the way the world truly is, and that is a PERSON. New Thought and LOA people always categorize Neville as being in their camp, but he hardly was. They all believe in an impersonal force we can control. Neville believed in a Person we are the manifestation of, and of whole-hearted submission to that Person. "There is NO 'New Thought'!" he insisted. "There is only the fulfillment of the Word. THAT is our destiny." For the Word (Aramaic: Milta) is the Divine Person we are becoming as we learn to submit to Him. We are to be pockets of Him, channels of His spiritual power into these spheres. That is not taking things upon ourselves, but un-ing ourselves unto Him and His objectives to flow through us, because we are One. That's my philosophy, anyway.
"One last thing before I go: Seeing God and what He is doing, we must teach. How can we face Him when we pass if we do not?"
ME: I am not sure what you mean here. But, I believe we are spiritual beings and I believe love and forgiveness are the ultimate golds…But then again, that is me and maybe my own wonderful imagination..
Dan, thank you so much and I will continue to read your beautiful blogs.
L.
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L.,
Quite honestly, in all the years I have read and listened to Neville and have perceived the biblical truth of what he says and shared it with others, I have never needed to practice the technique of prayer to get anything. Not that there are no things I would like to change, but I trust God to do that. I was raised in the Methodist Church, left that after high school, got into occult type meditation after the Navy, and became a Pentecostal while living in my pickup truck in Hawaii. In hindsight I see that God has always led me toward His desire for me, so why should I want to screw with that? Success is not getting what I want, but what He wants.
Part of Neville's trick was to go to sleep when he wanted to, not just at the end of the day. At night I'm asleep within seconds of my head hitting the pillow. But the rest of the trick appears to be PRACTICING the technique of movement. He said he did the phone bench thing (imagining that he was there when he wasn't) to get "loose." He admits this looseness can be quite dangerous, as he almost died in this world going into the picture and getting stuck there. The deal of being "there" and believing that you are there, though, I believe is the "two become one" Gregg Braden speaks about being edited out of John 16:23-24 (re the Gospel of Thomas). I'll be writing about this soon in my blog.
Neville believed in not in reincarnation but in restoration; that we are restored to three-dimensional experience without punishment. Reincarnation carries the religious idea of getting whacked/judged for your karma, which Neville didn't buy into. And some readers corrected me, that restoration is back to being a twenty-something again in THIS life, but on different track of imagination. I blogged earlier that if this is the case, all these life experiences would be lived simultaneously! "Once to die" would be entering this bush of life experiences as a child, sequentially imagining branches of lives (lived simultaneously) from the root childhood, and then the judgment of accomplishment for this one life. Then on to other lives, other planets, experiences in other terrestrial spheres (eternity is a really long time, and we have so far to go).
God came down as one man? It came down as all. One guy got UP to exemplifying/"being" the Word of God.
Suffering/discontentment is the way we progress. That is what Mother Mary means. Why would a good God do that? Who else is there? All y'all is nothing but God. All is done by It, TO It, and It isn't bothered by anything (even starvation). Nothing else will motivate us to go. Someone asked today, "What exactly do you propose for those that have lost loved ones due to senseless acts of violence or other untimely circumstances?" Well, what of it? They were and are God, the perpetrator was and is God, you are God--this is YOUR world. Oddly, the question was on a post about time travel. In imagination you can be in your loved ones' time with them. Otherwise they are on another track and you can simply appreciate the time you had with them (welcome to Chinese bai' bai').
About NDEs not supporting Neville's teachings:
They certainly do not contradict them. Watch where the Death Experience testimony is coming from; usually Christians or semi-religious people who are learning through biblical illustrations. Their Death Experience follows suit with how they already think. Neville's teachings are an ANALYSIS of what is happening there. That God became man that man might become God is WHY they are having the Death Experience, not the teaching in it. Knowing the why buys us nothing but some understanding of the mechanics of what is going on. Get wisdom from the NDE, and get understanding of it. The thing is, it IS going on. THAT is what we get out of NDEs. Consider Jonah. He was a called prophet who knew about God but was not fully on board with being serious about it. A storm of afflictions sets in and he dies. But the Death Experience is a state prepared for him to become fully convinced and serious in DOING it. The Ninevites--our thoughts--already believed that God could kill them en mass, as we all do, but with Jonah's Death Experience they became enlightened as to how serious this spiritual stuff really is. When you repent, keep repented. And take the scriptures' spiritual meaning seriously.
I am pretty sure that if you look into it, you will find that near death experiences and reincarnation have been known about, even in America, for more than the last 50 years.
What part does God play in the starving masses of people, the suffering everywhere? Is it that they simply have to believe that they already have, and they will have? Hardly. A better question might be: what part does the concept of separation from God have to do with peoples' starvation? Like NDEs make you serious about oneness with God, serious belief in one's oneness with God might solve the having bit.
I do not understand why you and others are so hung up about Blavatsky and Crowley and Lucifer. They are not coming to get you. They are not worth squat nor the waste of time being concerned about them. We have the scriptures; they ARE worth the time. You don't see Isaiah or Jeremiah shaking in their boots because of Blavatsky or the Theosophical Society. Resist the ignorance, and the ignorance will flee. There is nothing, NOTHING worth more than realizing that we are the One and that the One is us--YHWH, the Triune God. We have simply GOT to become It becoming through us.
Dan Steele
See John 16:23-24 Without Ulerior Motives
To: imagicworldview@aol.com
Sent: Sun, May 31, 2020 6:36 pm
Subject: RE: Neville Goddard
Hi Dan,
Thank you so much for your wonderful reply! I enjoyed reading your email reply back. I do have some questions. If you don’t have time to answer I understand.
"That is, we can observe that if we think in certain ways, certain things happen. Neville has simply pointed these ways out and suggested that we can control them."
ME: What is hard about this is to drift off in a hypnagogic state just before you go to sleep and try to imagine what you would like to change in your life. To be honest, I don’t require a lot of material things in life. As long as I have food on the table and can pay my bills with enough money left over in case I need it…I am fine. I see a lot of people wanting to materialize cars, houses and so forth. I guess for me its about spiritual growth and to really find God. I was raised Greek Orthodox and have since left the religion. I have since started to meditate and try to visualize. I have a hard time wrapping my head that God came down as human so that we could one day realize we are God.
All the Near Death Experience people say that we are here as spiritual beings to learn lessons and grow while here on Earth.
Neville seemed to think when we die we are in are 20s and don’t realize we are dead only to live in another planet and experience the suffering like we do here on earth. I am not sure I agree. He did not believe in reincarnation either, but it has been proven.
NDE does not support the kind of experience Neville had. Most everyone who has had a NDE report that we go back and we do get a life review where God DOES NOT Punish us. We do have a life review on how we did on earth but there is no punishment from God. And, how forgiving and loving the after life is. Some do not want to come back.
When people come back from NDE they don’t say, hey what I learned from it is that God is your own wonderful human imagination. Or I was told that God came down as human and forgot he was God so that he would one day realize as man that he is God. On the contrary we are told that we are spiritual beings to experience life and learn lessons that help us spiritually grow.
Neville wrote all this 50 years ago when NDE was not heard of. Reincarnation was not talk about it either. He even told this one lady in one of his lectures not to believe in it.
The only reason why I say this is because on many forums there seems to be a Neville Goddard worshiping thing going on. People believe in his Golgotha that when David calls you Father you will know you are God. I am not saying it is wrong, but it is different from what NDE say that is all.
If Neville is correct does God play the part of starving people in Africa who do not know that all they have to do is imagine how it would be if you have food and so forth…Why is it that only people that are not living in oppressed countries can manifest a better life?
Dan, I can assure you I have asked these types of questions on YouTube bloggers who claim to preach the gospel according to Neville. Again, I am not saying he is wrong but a lot of things feel to me as if the teachings kind of contradict themselves…I want truth just like anyone else. If Neville was alive in this day and age, I would of asked him, lol.
"I am not sure this is luciferianism. There seems to be a lot of conditions which suggest what practice, opinion, or attitude is good or bad. Love and unity appear to be good and facilitating of improvement; self-serving and independence appear to be impediments to progress. This is just the way the world we observe is."
ME: This is beautiful what you just said….By luciferin I meant that a lot of people like to use this manifestation for power and greed. What Neville was semi preaching sounds a lot like new thought movement started by Madame Blavatsky, the Russian occultist, philosopher, and author who co-founded the Theosophical Society in 1875 There was a lot of bad things that happened down the line. I will not go into it in this email.
"I promote, as it were, Neville's teachings because they greatly reflect the truth of the way the world truly is, and that is a PERSON. New Thought and LOA people always categorize Neville as being in their camp, but he hardly was. They all believe in an impersonal force we can control. Neville believed in a Person we are the manifestation of, and of whole-hearted submission to that Person. "There is NO 'New Thought'!" he insisted. "There is only the fulfillment of the Word. THAT is our destiny." For the Word (Aramaic: Milta) is the Divine Person we are becoming as we learn to submit to Him. We are to be pockets of Him, channels of His spiritual power into these spheres. That is not taking things upon ourselves, but un-ing ourselves unto Him and His objectives to flow through us, because we are One. That's my philosophy, anyway.
"One last thing before I go: Seeing God and what He is doing, we must teach. How can we face Him when we pass if we do not?"
ME: I am not sure what you mean here. But, I believe we are spiritual beings and I believe love and forgiveness are the ultimate golds…But then again, that is me and maybe my own wonderful imagination..
Dan, thank you so much and I will continue to read your beautiful blogs.
L.
______________________________
L.,
Quite honestly, in all the years I have read and listened to Neville and have perceived the biblical truth of what he says and shared it with others, I have never needed to practice the technique of prayer to get anything. Not that there are no things I would like to change, but I trust God to do that. I was raised in the Methodist Church, left that after high school, got into occult type meditation after the Navy, and became a Pentecostal while living in my pickup truck in Hawaii. In hindsight I see that God has always led me toward His desire for me, so why should I want to screw with that? Success is not getting what I want, but what He wants.
Part of Neville's trick was to go to sleep when he wanted to, not just at the end of the day. At night I'm asleep within seconds of my head hitting the pillow. But the rest of the trick appears to be PRACTICING the technique of movement. He said he did the phone bench thing (imagining that he was there when he wasn't) to get "loose." He admits this looseness can be quite dangerous, as he almost died in this world going into the picture and getting stuck there. The deal of being "there" and believing that you are there, though, I believe is the "two become one" Gregg Braden speaks about being edited out of John 16:23-24 (re the Gospel of Thomas). I'll be writing about this soon in my blog.
Neville believed in not in reincarnation but in restoration; that we are restored to three-dimensional experience without punishment. Reincarnation carries the religious idea of getting whacked/judged for your karma, which Neville didn't buy into. And some readers corrected me, that restoration is back to being a twenty-something again in THIS life, but on different track of imagination. I blogged earlier that if this is the case, all these life experiences would be lived simultaneously! "Once to die" would be entering this bush of life experiences as a child, sequentially imagining branches of lives (lived simultaneously) from the root childhood, and then the judgment of accomplishment for this one life. Then on to other lives, other planets, experiences in other terrestrial spheres (eternity is a really long time, and we have so far to go).
God came down as one man? It came down as all. One guy got UP to exemplifying/"being" the Word of God.
Suffering/discontentment is the way we progress. That is what Mother Mary means. Why would a good God do that? Who else is there? All y'all is nothing but God. All is done by It, TO It, and It isn't bothered by anything (even starvation). Nothing else will motivate us to go. Someone asked today, "What exactly do you propose for those that have lost loved ones due to senseless acts of violence or other untimely circumstances?" Well, what of it? They were and are God, the perpetrator was and is God, you are God--this is YOUR world. Oddly, the question was on a post about time travel. In imagination you can be in your loved ones' time with them. Otherwise they are on another track and you can simply appreciate the time you had with them (welcome to Chinese bai' bai').
About NDEs not supporting Neville's teachings:
They certainly do not contradict them. Watch where the Death Experience testimony is coming from; usually Christians or semi-religious people who are learning through biblical illustrations. Their Death Experience follows suit with how they already think. Neville's teachings are an ANALYSIS of what is happening there. That God became man that man might become God is WHY they are having the Death Experience, not the teaching in it. Knowing the why buys us nothing but some understanding of the mechanics of what is going on. Get wisdom from the NDE, and get understanding of it. The thing is, it IS going on. THAT is what we get out of NDEs. Consider Jonah. He was a called prophet who knew about God but was not fully on board with being serious about it. A storm of afflictions sets in and he dies. But the Death Experience is a state prepared for him to become fully convinced and serious in DOING it. The Ninevites--our thoughts--already believed that God could kill them en mass, as we all do, but with Jonah's Death Experience they became enlightened as to how serious this spiritual stuff really is. When you repent, keep repented. And take the scriptures' spiritual meaning seriously.
I am pretty sure that if you look into it, you will find that near death experiences and reincarnation have been known about, even in America, for more than the last 50 years.
What part does God play in the starving masses of people, the suffering everywhere? Is it that they simply have to believe that they already have, and they will have? Hardly. A better question might be: what part does the concept of separation from God have to do with peoples' starvation? Like NDEs make you serious about oneness with God, serious belief in one's oneness with God might solve the having bit.
I do not understand why you and others are so hung up about Blavatsky and Crowley and Lucifer. They are not coming to get you. They are not worth squat nor the waste of time being concerned about them. We have the scriptures; they ARE worth the time. You don't see Isaiah or Jeremiah shaking in their boots because of Blavatsky or the Theosophical Society. Resist the ignorance, and the ignorance will flee. There is nothing, NOTHING worth more than realizing that we are the One and that the One is us--YHWH, the Triune God. We have simply GOT to become It becoming through us.
Dan Steele
See John 16:23-24 Without Ulerior Motives
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